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  1. genrebuster Says:

    Fire Jim Hendry.

    Send Gregg to AA (not for a drinking problem).

    Hey, I heard a rumor that the Cubs were going to be sold, I think it was in late 2006 (?).

    Donald Fehr is finally gone…Bud Selig, please take note…baseball will be better off without you.

    Since some names have been “leaked”, release all names of players who tested positive in 2003…it’s only fair.

  2. erniesarmy Says:

    Morpheus wrote the following on the other thread:

    “While I agree that it’s easy to point to anecdotes where Gregg screwed up, his overall numbers have been pretty good. Yeah, 11 out of 14 is not ideal, but he’s still pitched better than Marmol, for example. The problem with analysis through what you see when you watch games is that human brains don’t analyze things very well that way. We tend to anchor on certain events, especially painful ones, and discount other ones that are less descript. We also tend to have a “confirmation bias” in which we accept the evidence that supports our predetermined hypothesis and reject contradictory evidence. These biases are well-documented. Stat lines are there to keep us honest.”

    Morpheus, what you just did is a classic example of special pleading. You see Morpheus conveniently left out Gregg’s ERA: 4.18, for a closer that is totally unacceptable. He also has given up 31 hits in 32.1 innings, YIKES! He is tied with Zambrano with the number of home runs he has given up, 6. “Confirmation bias” indeed, physician heal thyself. One other thing, stats are useless unless you have a significant sample to interpret the data, you failed in that as well.

    Gregg is not a closer, I don’t even think he’d make a good set up guy. Marmol is much too wild, but his stuff is head and shoulders above Gregg’s. If Dave Duncan had Marmol, he’d be as good, if not better than, K-Rod.

  3. robert Says:

    Von Joshua has a great strategy load the bases and do nothing

  4. erniesarmy Says:

    Cubs have lost 3 in a row –

    Hey, where did all the sheepie go? Heyyyyy…don’t you still believe???

    Cubs going to the World Series, don’t ya know????

    Eh, the sheepie are just fair weather fans, right Genre?

  5. Matt Stairs Superfan Says:

    erniesarmy, this team blows. The sheeple are out drinking and saying everything is fine and great with this team. Of course, they come out and bash us when we beat Cleveland which is one of the worst teams in the league.

    I side with all of you when talking about Gregg. He is a pile of steaming shit.

    Morpheus, I want you be right about what this team is going to do this year. We all do. Whatever you are smoking or drinking, I sure want some of it. But I doubt this team will win the division, much less the championship.

  6. captain1kirk Says:

    While our buddy Hendry had visions on Jake Peavy he ignored a huge need on the team …. the bullpen…. The middle releivers are scary, our set up man Marmol is scary, our closer sucks. Hey Jimbo this is not a championship caliber bullpen. While you got the pen to go from bad to worse at least you acquired a winner like Bradley to compliment last years acquistion of Fukudome. Who gave Hendry the checkbook?

    How about last nights game Cub hitters leaving 32 runners stranded in a 5-3 loss. Way to come thru in the clutch.

  7. genrebuster Says:

    ernie, the reality is that the sheeple are NOT real fans. If they were, they wouldn’t put up with this PATHETIC franchise without speaking out.

    If I order a meal in a restaurant….only to receive a shit sandwich, I will complain to the management. If they don’t make it right, I will spread the word accordingly.

    “Friendly Confines”, “Lovable Losers”, “Wait “Till Next Year”….no matter how you slice it, PATHETIC. Hendry is a stinking bum and I’m still waiting for this current group of players to come together as a team and show some heart.

    tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…tick tock… 101 years.

    Where’s my bailout?

  8. genrebuster Says:

    Happy Thursday to all 🙂

  9. Irish Yeti Says:

    “Von Joshua has a great strategy load the bases and do nothing”

    You make me so happy

  10. Sandberg23 Says:

    I have to say it was just fucking great seeing Lou laugh it up with his coaches last night in the 9th inn. while his team was about to lose again and drop back down to .500 mark. Yeah it’s nice to know that its funny watching this team, fall short of expectations time and time again. I think Lou has started his retirement party early and could give a fuck less what this team does. I like his comment about maybe I’ll have to pick the lineup out of a hat. Yeah sure Lou I’ll believe it when I see it. Wasn’t he suppose to make changes after the Sox game too??? Hmm the lineup still looks the same to me. I got an idea dumbass. GET SORIANO OUT OF THE LEADOFF SPOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Sandberg23 Says:

    Oops got the exclamation points out off the page. My bad.

  12. morpheus Says:

    Significant sample size? Well, I did use a whole season and not the three or four times he blew it, so there’s that… but anyway, if we want to go down that road:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greggke01-pitch.shtml

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=greggke01&year=Career&t=p

    Career ERA 4.01, but as a reliever it’s 3.92
    Career K/BB is 2.24 (as reliever 2.27)
    Career K/BB in save situations is a bit lower at 1.89 (that’s 1.86 this year, right in line with career splits)
    Career OPS against in save situations is .648
    Career WHIP 1.33
    Career saves conversion rate 80%, right in line with this year

    “Gregg’s ERA: 4.18, for a closer that is totally unacceptable. He also has given up 31 hits in 32.1 innings, YIKES!” That’s why I talk about WHIP. Walks and Hits per Inning Pitched. You think that giving up 31 hits in 32.1 IP is bad? There are very, very few pitchers in the major leagues with a WHIP under 1. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/whip_active.shtml Yes I see that Trevor Hoffman is on here… but again, he’s going to be 42. Mariano’s on there too. Next relief pitcher on there is Kerry Wood, and most of the good WHIP is from when he was a starter. The next closer on there is Ryan Franklin at 1.318.

    I stand by my analysis that Kevin Gregg is a serviceable major league closer, especially given who else is in the bullpen.

  13. Sandberg23 Says:

    BTW Gregg still blows giant cock. Here’s another piece of shit ass stat about him. He averages 20.5 pitches thrown per inning. That is the worst out of any closer in the majors. Morpheus I want you to be right, I really do. But like Matt Stairs said I think you need to puff puff pass that shit over here now.

  14. Irish Yeti Says:

    Sandberg23,

    Besides pulling Sorianus out of the leadoff spot, please tell me exactly how you want the starting lineup to be. And maybe even your ideal bench players.

  15. Sandberg23 Says:

    Allright yeti you want my lineup.
    1. Theriot
    2. Fuk/ Johnson after DL stint is over or Fontenot
    3. Lee
    4. Bradley (U are stuck with him) unless you start Hoffpaiur
    5. Sore anus
    6. Soto or should he be called hoto
    7. Fontenot/ or combo of either Fuk./Johnson
    8. Blanco. or anybody except Miles at 2nd in this spot. Maybe even Z bats here when he pitches.

    Bench:

    Hoffpauir/ unless you sit Bradley. Which seems like a better option everyday.
    Fox
    Hill
    Freel / until Johnson comes back then get him out of there.
    Scales/ cause Miles needs let go, thus opening the roster spot for him.

    With that lineup Lou can have his Lefty/righty crap that he loves so much plus Sore anus is out of the leadoff spot for someone who can actually get on base at a good clip. Plus you got Sore-anus in a power spot which is where he should be especially since A-Ram is out and they have no power hitter in the middle. He can’t run, he can’t get on base. All he does is hit home runs, so put the bastard in a power spot. So maybe when he occasionally hits one of them homers its a 3 run shot not a solo shot. Does this get you’re approval now? So then I can fax this over to Lou pronto.

  16. Dusty Piniella Says:

    Dude. What do you want me to do? I don’t have my horses. And we need more left handed bats. We need some speed. Our bullpen is fine. We’ll turn it around. Just wait. And stop booing us. That hurts our confidence.

  17. morpheus Says:

    For the record, I posted something about 2 hours ago and it is still not up. I really don’t want to re-post like I did yesterday.

  18. morpheus Says:

    Do you know how I know I’m right that Gregg is fine as a closer? David Kaplan disagrees with me. http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/2009/06/lets-discuss-the-cubs-closer-role.html#more

  19. chucky Says:

    Did it occur to you that Kaplan is right and YOU ARE WRONG?

  20. morpheus Says:

    It did not occur to me. With good reason.

  21. erniesarmy Says:

    Morpheus thinks his claim that Gregg is a “serviceable closer” seals the deal.

    Since the definition of serviceable is “of adequate quality,” or “not exceptional” then he just defeated is own argument. A championship quality team will not have a “serviceable closer,” they will have an exceptional closer, e.g., Trevor Hoffman, jonathan Papelbon, Brad Lidge (last year, this year he’s just “serviceable” and look what’s happening to Phila.), Mariano Rivera, and so on.

    The Cubs can’t afford any more “serviceable” anything. This team needs to develop quality exceptional pitchers, especially for the eighth and ninth innings of crucial games. Kevin Gregg does not fit the bill.

  22. Irish Yeti Says:

    “So then I can fax this over to Lou pronto?”

    “Cubs have lost 3 in a row –

    Hey, where did all the sheepie go? Heyyyyy…don’t you still believe???

    Cubs going to the World Series, don’t ya know????

    Eh, the sheepie are just fair weather fans, right Genre?”

    I think you misunderstand our support for this team. While we recognize this team is playing like shit *now*, we don’t call this season a loss as they can still win this division… by 5 games. All I have said about the WS is that they just need to get to the playoffs. Anything can happen there.

    “Did it occur to you that Kaplan is right and YOU ARE WRONG?” Read this, then go here… and here… and here… It all makes sense. Gregg may not be the best closer out there but he’s serviceable.

  23. erniesarmy Says:

    Oh, and one more thing, Cubs lose 4th in row to Detroit 6-5.

    Where oh where are my sheepie???????????

    Gone to pasture I’m afraid.

    Oh well, “We’ll get em tomorrow.” “Wait till next year!” “Just wait, when we get ARam back, then we’ll take off!” What was that Genre? Oh yeah…

    tick tock…tick tock….102 years here we come!!!!!!!!

  24. genrebuster Says:

    “Mr. Hendry, your escort has arrived and is ready to serve you.”

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  25. erniesarmy Says:

    “While we recognize this team is playing like shit *now*, we don’t call this season a loss as they can still win this division… by 5 games.”

    BBBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

    Please stop! BWAH HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

    Your killing me! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

  26. genrebuster Says:

    Detroit: 41-31

    Cubs: 34-35

    Cleveland: 30-43

    = No major surprises lately.

  27. erniesarmy Says:

    Kevin Gregg couldn’t close Aunt Matilda’s hope chest, even with the key.

  28. genrebuster Says:

    No need to “play down” the situation…seems to me he does more harm than good, keep him on the bench until he’s AT LEAST “150%” (whatever the hell that means).

    “Mr. Miles, you’re evaluation is in: your going to be fine but your services are no longer needed, enjoy your time off” (and then I woke up).

  29. morpheus Says:

    “Since the definition of serviceable is “of adequate quality,” or “not exceptional” then he just defeated [h]is own argument.”

    Ah, but what was the argument? My argument is that Gregg is the best option the Cubs have, that he certainly does not “suck major man-shaft” and is not “someone who never strikes anyone out and always walks the first guy he faces.” You may have a different opinion, but the numbers don’t back it up.

    Now, to address the rest of your fallacious argument… The Cardinals in 2006 sure had a lights-out closer (Isringhausen). As did the Boston Red Sox in 2004 (Foulke), Marlins in 2003 (Looper), and D-Bags in 2001 (Kim). Now, I was able to find 4 WORLD SERIES CHAMPION closers with similar save conversion ratios as Kevin Gregg in the last 8 years without much effort. 4 out of 8 sounds like a coin flip to me.

    It would be great if the Cubs could just go out and develop or get *elite* players at every position, but guess what? It’s not going to happen, no matter who owns the team. If you want to complain about something on this team, complain about the offense, which is just terrible. The closer situation is simply not the problem with the Cubs this year.

  30. morpheus Says:

    “Kevin Gregg couldn’t close Aunt Matilda’s hope chest, even with the key.” I’m glad you’ve stated your case rationally and brought evidence to back it up.

  31. morpheus Says:

    I think we can all agree with genre, however. Aaron Miles sucks. It’s science.

  32. genrebuster Says:

    WOW! I just discovered that you can’t put quotes in “brackets” (see my previous post), sorry ’bout that.
    ******

    take 2:

    The Cubs took OF Milton Bradley out of the lineup, but manager Lou Piniella said “call it a day off,” seemingly to play down the decision.

    No need to “play down” the situation…seems to me he does more harm than good, keep him on the bench until he’s AT LEAST “150%” (whatever the hell that means).

    … Cubs IF Aaron Miles (elbow) was injured in a batting cage and will be evaluated Friday. …

    “Mr. Miles, you’re evaluation is in: your going to be fine but your services are no longer needed, enjoy your time off” (and then I woke up).

  33. genrebuster Says:

    Dear Mitch, I meant “you are”, not “your”.

    Less science, more spelling.

  34. Tim Says:

    Morpheus has a good argument about Gregg. The thing that bothers me is that Hendry did not get more help with the bullpen. It is an issue. The offense was fine last year so it made me wonder why Hendry broke up some of the parts.

  35. Irish Yeti Says:

    Tim, you are a reasonable man. You can stay

  36. chucky Says:

    Tim

    No, he does not have a good argument. Gregg sucks. Period. Nobody should have any fucking confidence in him. There are stats that back that up. 20.5 pitches per inning, 3 blown saves, etc. Stop and think about it: If you constantly have to defend this dork, is he really that good?

    A GOOD CLOSER WOULDN’T BRING OUT THIS KIND OF DEBATE. HE SUCKS ASS.

    Just accept it.

  37. Tim Says:

    I know Gregg sucks horse cock. We all know that. Unfortunately, Hendry is an idiot for not trying to get someone better or more help in the offseason. That is what I have been trying to say. Maybe Hendry can call up a pitcher or two to see what they are made of? Maybe somebody down there can help clean this mess up. Maybe they get lucky and find someone on the farm?

    The last thing, I really hope they don’t try to rush Ramirez back because of this power outage this team seems to have. It could be a long term problem if they do.

  38. chucky Says:

    Agreed about Ramirez. MY fear was when he comes back he has the same problem Derrick Lee had coming back from his broken wrist. I almost wish the would they would just shut him down for the year because they aren’t going anywhere anyway.

  39. erniesarmy Says:

    “Kevin Gregg couldn’t close Aunt Matilda’s hope chest, even with the key.” I’m glad you’ve stated your case rationally and brought evidence to back it up.
    ………………………………….

    Begging the question, since I never gave any such indication that I was a) speaking to you, or b) attempting to make a rational argument. Besides, get down off your high horse, you only make a fool of yourself. You’re not a better fan, or more intelligent than any of us here.
    ……………………………………
    Now, as for this –

    “Now, to address the rest of your fallacious argument… The Cardinals in 2006 sure had a lights-out closer (Isringhausen). As did the Boston Red Sox in 2004 (Foulke), Marlins in 2003 (Looper), and D-Bags in 2001 (Kim). Now, I was able to find 4 WORLD SERIES CHAMPION closers with similar save conversion ratios as Kevin Gregg in the last 8 years without much effort. 4 out of 8 sounds like a coin flip to me.”
    ……………………………………….

    Other than Kim (and having Schilling and Johnson on that team had a little something to do with that), you are dead wrong! Without Keith Foulke, the Red Sox do not win the 2004 WS, look it up. Same with Isringhausen, and (It wasn’t Looper, it was Urbina in 2003) Urbina did the job for the Marlins.

    You still think your ability to throw numbers around makes your argument air tight, sorry, it doesn’t. The main attribute of a good closer, a closer that can get you through the playoffs (and hopefully a WS title), must be able to handle the pressure of performing at a high level when the game is on the line. Gregg probably got most of those “serviceable” stats when he was brought in against weaker opponents. The fact of the matter is, when he is needed to come up with a quality performance in a crucial, pressure situation, he comes apart. If I am looking for someone to come in and get that last out in the seventh game of the WS, and we (the Cubs) are up by one run, are you going to feel good about Kevin Gregg coming in? Not me. And that, my friend, is the bottom line.

  40. genrebuster Says:

    Yeti can I stay, too….PLEASE.

  41. genrebuster Says:

    Dear Mr. Gregg: drink more ice water, maybe you’ll do better!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  42. morpheus Says:

    Again, you can sit there and say he sucks (horse cock or whatever cock you prefer to associate him with) all you like. Repeating something ad nausaeum does not make it correct. Your stats that you halfheartedly present are meaningless. Pitches per inning? THREE WHOLE BLOWN SAVES! Oh, you’ve really proven your point. By your metric, some other closers who suck: JP Howell of the Rays (5!!!! 5!!!! BLOWN SAVES), Brad Lidge (OMG 6 BLOWN SAVES), Brian Wilson (3), Brian Fuentes (3), Jose Valverde (3). How in the WORLD could BRIAN FUENTES with his THREE BLOWN SAVES be the closer of the 38-32 Angels? Or BRIAN WILSON the 39-32 Giants? Or BRAD LIDGE the 37-32, 1st place Phillies? How could this be? Or could it be that good teams do not always have the BEST CLOSER IN THE LEAGUE FOREVAR?

    I will not accept something I know with certainty to be untrue. The argument was never “is he the best damn closer EVAR?” That’s a far, far cry from “he sucks horse cock.” There are 30 closers in the league right now and Kevin Gregg is not #1, but he’s not #30 either… saying that someone does not SUCK is far, far different than saying they are the BEST EVAR OMG!

  43. Irish Yeti Says:

    “Yeti can I stay, too….PLEASE.”

    Do you have wool?

  44. morpheus Says:

    Erniesarmy…

    One of us can read. It’s not you.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/FLA/2003.shtml

    Braden Looper had 28 saves for the Marlins in 2003. Ugie Urbina had 6. Which one was the closer? Now, I watched the WS in 2003 so I know that by then Urbina was doing most of the closing work, but it takes a whole season to get there. And Ugie, with his ERA of 6.00 in the WS, WHIP of 1.667, he really “got it done.” He even blew the save in game 4, giving up 2 runs in the 9th. There’s your ZOMG ELITE CLOSER.

    As for the rest of what you said: The four closers I mentioned had the same save conversion ratios as Kevin Gregg does. You can bring your “there’s more to the game than numbers” argument all you want, but it won’t change the fact, FACT, that I am right. Bringing up Schilling and Johnson is a red herring – they have nothing to do with how a relief pitcher performs.

    “The main attribute of a good closer, a closer that can get you through the playoffs (and hopefully a WS title), must be able to handle the pressure of performing at a high level when the game is on the line. ”

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=greggke01&year=Career&t=p#lever

    Please note that over Gregg’s career there isn’t much difference whether he’s in a “high leverage”, “medium leverage”, or “low leverage” situation. OPS-against of around .690 for all of them.

    “The fact of the matter is, when he is needed to come up with a quality performance in a crucial, pressure situation, he comes apart.” Show me. He’s blown three saves, converted 11 this year. 79%.

    Finally, don’t play coy. You know damn well that you were directing that at me.

  45. erniesarmy Says:

    “You can bring your “there’s more to the game than numbers” argument all you want, but it won’t change the fact, FACT, that I am right.”
    ………………………………
    What fact? You haven’t provided any facts that Gregg is a good closer. All you have done is punched up Baseball Reference, pasted and copied some of his season, and career numbers, and pronounced “the facts” prove you’re right. Anyone who knows baseball – and I have been a fan for 45 years – has participated in organized team sports at any level knows that stats do not ipso facto prove the worth of a player. Get over yourself, Hot Shot.
    ………………………………..
    The thing about Urbina proves only that I was in error about the closer for the 03 Marlins, that’s all. To make more of it than that, as you obviously did, is blinkered solipsism on your part.
    ………………………………………
    “Finally, don’t play coy. You know damn well that you were directing that at me.” Wow, you’re omniscient too! Tell me, what am I thinking right now? Sorry, wrong again, Einstein. I told you the truth, if you choose to ignore it that’s your problem, not mine.
    ……………………………………….
    For the last time, Morpheus, statistics do not, can not, and never will, tell the full story of a player’s ability to get the job done when the game is at a crucial point. That’s why a David Eckstein, a Craig Counsell, a Jim Leyritz, a Kevin Millar, et. al. are so valuable to a team’s success in the playoffs. Their statistics may be average, to below average, during a season, or in their careers, but it is what they do when the game is on the line that makes the difference between someone with gaudy statistics and no rings, and someone with average to poor statistics with rings.

    Now, go play somewhere, you’re starting to become a nuisance.

  46. erniesarmy Says:

    Oh, sorry, I forgot this –

    “Bringing up Schilling and Johnson is a red herring – they have nothing to do with how a relief pitcher performs.”
    ……………………………….
    You cannot be serious! Red Herring? Are you kidding me? Do you even know what the term “red herring” means?

    Having a pitcher that goes 9 innings of nearly shut out ball, sort of makes the need for a closer irrelevant don’t you think?

  47. Matt Stairs Superfan Says:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9731758/Soto-embarrassed-for-positive-pot-test-at-WBC

    Hey Soto: Get off the pot. No wonder you have looked so dazed at the plate this year.

  48. The Ghost of Leo Durocher Says:

    goddammit who let the fucking yeti out of the barn or wherever the hell he sleeps pull the wool out of your ass you smug little bastard i’m sick and tired of reading about your so called girlfriends expertise on ass licking or was it the scrotum who the hell cares these debates these stats they mean nothing just watch the fucking games and if you can’t see the reality then revisit 1969 for a new york minute you fools and if that isn’t enough try 1984 or 1989 or 1998 or 2003 or 2007 or 2008…hell go back to 1945 or 1908 if that doesn’t do it for you damned morons this organization is lost no leadership no guts no fucking glory an asshat for a gm a fanbase of fucking sheep who have settled for this shit all these years or do you prefer the learned scientists the number crunchers the readers of blogs who wouldn’t know a baseball if it smacked them in the jaws baseball reference my ass what the hell were you thinking how much are your season tickets really worth pass the peanuts and don’t forget to wear your most stylish wife beater tee to the ballpark baby maybe arne will put you on tv oh wait he’s left the building my fucking bad is that lingo current enough for you mtv generation pussies for crying out loud the horror the horror the horror how the hell do these losers sleep at night i thought milton bradley was a board game but even worse he’s got no game i’m fucking bored with uncle milty and what the hell happened to lou maybe he’s got wool baaaaaaa baaaaaa baaaaa or maybe he just doesn’t give a crap i did and i didn’t think this crapola was funny in ’69 and it sure as hell isn’t in 2009 what the hell are you losers cheering for did your mommy tell you that mediocrity was acceptable newsflash she was lying or stupid or both shame on you all sell the damned team already i think the fat lady has sung and she’ll sing again mark my words or don’t whatever makes you happy maybe ignorance is bliss somebody enlighten these misguided fools who think all is well in wrigleyville hope springs eternal maybe next year for chrissakes or next century whatever ask joe morgan another expert newsflash gregg gump it’s all the same lose lose or lose no draws or wins on this grand horizon for this organization for these players for this manager for these owners sorry do not pass go losers wish it were different when is the happy ending

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  50. morpheus Says:

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. I now see that once someone has a hypothesis around here, they will ignore facts and stick to what their lying eyes tell them. And I love the “anyone who has participated in team sports at any level” line – spoken as if you have any idea whatsoever what you’re talking about, who I am, or what I’ve done in my life. High comedy.

    Finally: a “red herring” is an irrelevant point brought up in an argument to misdirect or obfuscate. One example of a red herring is bringing up who the starting pitchers of a team are when evaluating the performance of a closer. When I talk about the performance of a closer based on his rate stats (I hope you understand the difference between “rate stats” and “counting stats”) then it’s completely irrelevant who the starting pitchers are on the team. Now, if I pointed to Kim’s number of saves, rather than something like a saves conversion rate or a K/BB ratio, then you could legitimately bring up the starting pitchers. Since I didn’t do that, the term “red herring” is completely accurate.

    It seems to me this has come down to a “stats vs scouts” argument, as baseball analysis often does. I tend to put a lot more value on cold hard numbers, while you prefer to concentrate on what’s outside the numbers. Fine.

  51. morpheus Says:

    Meh… Life’s too short to get all jacked up like I just did. By way of an olive branch, if you (and I think this goes for most readers here) are looking for someone who (outside of the foul language) writes stuff you may find interesting:

    http://badnewscubs.wordpress.com

    He has a pretty ecelctic style but I think you will probably agree more often than not.

  52. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater Says:

    Is this site meant to make me laugh so much?

  53. robert Says:

    ghost thank you

  54. genrebuster Says:

    Morpheus. Thanks for providing that link.

    I’m enjoying the flurry of activity here, too. A good distraction from bad baseball.

  55. erniesarmy Says:

    Morpheus,

    I appreciate the irenic tone in your second post, however, your arrogance and priggish attitude does not work here. I had no problem with the stats you brought to the table, but your arrogance was a problem (“I know I’m right”…”the facts prove I’m right and your wrong!”). You came in here spoiling for a fight, and you got one. Kevin Gregg may be a “serviceable” closer in your estimation, but for those of us here who want a closer who consistently (not perfection, mind you) closes the door, he does not fit the bill, statistics or no statistics. You disagree, fine, let’s leave it at that.

    But the Ghost of Leo Durocher sums up our feelings about this Cub franchise very well. I’ve been a Cub fan for 45 years, and I’ve seen enough blown saves, dropped balls, fumbled grounders, blown leads, slumps, and overall franchise ineptitude to last me two lifetimes. ENOUGH! No more excuses, no more rationales, no more second chances, no more defending player mediocrity. That’s the way it was on Fire Dusty Baker, and that’s the way it is here. If you don’t like it, there are many other blogs that would suit your fancy.

    So, appreciate the debate, it was fun, and thanks for the invite, but I like it here just fine.

  56. erniesarmy Says:

    Morpheus,

    I clicked on your name. That audio of Paul Anka going ballistic was hilarious.

    I remember him in the late 50’s. The little teenie booper with the curly pompadour, smiling, flashing his little dimples at the girls in the front row of Dick Clark’s Saturday Night Show.

    Boy sure has grown up hasn’t he? And he can cuss too, just like Christian Bale.

    Eh, another former child star who never grew up.

  57. genrebuster Says:

    Just checked the Paul Anka…hmmm, too many espressos for Paulie, I do believe.

    Here is another legendary audio gem for your listening pleasure: Buddy Rich going “off” on his bus…

    [audio src="http://www.rockandrollbadboy.com/audio/BuddyRich.mp3" /]

    This first circulated on cassette years ago, I just found the link on-line.

    As an aside….years ago — just a few months before his death — I performed at a music festival right before Buddy’s band. I had a chance to say hello to him as I was leaving the stage (was a bit hesitant to do so having previously heard the rant tape but he was sitting on the edge of the stage at the steps)…we spoke for a minute or so, he was relaxed and friendly.

    Lee Elia, you are not alone!

  58. genrebuster Says:

    Just checked the Paul Anka…hmmm, too many espressos for Paulie, I do believe.

    ********

    Here is another legendary audio gem for your listening pleasure: Buddy Rich going “off” on his bus…

    [audio src="http://www.rockandrollbadboy.com/audio/BuddyRich.mp3" /]

    A longer version is here but the audio quality is not as good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ssZeOZkWU

    This first circulated on cassette years ago, I just found the link on-line.

    As an aside….years ago — just a few months before his death — I performed at a music festival right before Buddy’s band. I had a chance to say hello to him as I was leaving the stage (was a bit hesitant to do so having previously heard the rant tape but he was sitting on the edge of the stage at the steps)…we spoke for a minute or so, he was relaxed and friendly.

    Lee Elia, you are not alone!

  59. genrebuster Says:

    sorry for the double post, the 2nd one has a longer version but the audio is not as good.

  60. Irish Yeti Says:

    Gregg SAVE!!! Fuck you FDB Posters!

  61. erniesarmy Says:

    Irish Yeti Says:
    June 26, 2009 at 5:34 pm
    Gregg SAVE!!! Fuck you FDB Posters!
    ……………………………..

    Man, get a life!

    Go outside once in a while, take in a movie, eat at a nice restaurant, have a picnic along Lake Michigan….

  62. erniesarmy Says:

    Genrebuster –

    Thanks for the link. It is amazing how these guys look at people as if they were created just to serve at their pleasure.

    By the way, my son plays for two bands out here in Southern Cal. He plays for a hard core rock band, and a more MOR type band. He has played once or twice in Chicago, I wonder if he ever met you.

    Anyway, thanks for the story on Buddy Rich. He was a terrific drummer.

  63. erniesarmy Says:

    Hey, fellas, guess who said this –

    “I don’t believe in discipline. We’ll put his name in the lineup tomorrow and go from there..”

    1) Tony LaRussa
    2) Joe Girardi
    3) Jim Leyman
    4) Lou Pineilla

    If you chose #4… ding…ding…ding…ding…ding…you win!

    Now, can you guess who he was talking about? Milton Bradley? Now, how did you guess. This was after Bradley slammed his helmet down, and started bashing the Gatorade barrel during today’s game.

    Lou had enough! He told him to take his jersey off and go home!

    But, Lou doesn’t believe in discipline, you see, so Milt will be back in the lineup (hitting .210) tomorrow. Hey, is Lou a great manager, or what?

    And to think, we wanted this bozo over Dusty. What’s the difference?

  64. Matt Stairs Superfan Says:

    Irish Yeti, does your mother know that you are using the computer when she’s not home? Or is she out whoring around with strangers?

    What are you going to say in a few days when Gregg loses his next game?

    Let me know…

  65. genrebuster Says:

    Attention: I’ve just learned that “The Yeti or Abominable Snowman is an apelike cryptid said to inhabit the Himalayan region of Nepal and Tibet” (wiki)

    Well, that explains alot: there’s not much baseball happening in Nepal or Tibet…and “cryptid” refers to a creature whose existence has been suggested but lacks scientific support. As for “Irish Yeti”….NOTHING.

    Yeti: you’re just another rude juvenile troll. Apologize for your “fuck you FDB posters” lob…or even better don’t and rest easy knowing that you are just another PATHETIC stinking bum.

    All the best to you and “your girl”, see ya bye.

  66. genrebuster Says:

    Yeti, I apologize…I don’t really know you…therefore, I should have posted “you just might be another PATHETIC stinking bum.

    All the best to you and “your girl”, see ya bye.

  67. chucky Says:

    I missed the game today. I went to a car show (cruise night). Sorry Yeti. I do have a life. What happened?

  68. Dave Says:

    Ya know guys? I heard an interesting perspective on WGN radio this afternoon. It was a short discussion, but it made a good point. The discussion was basically about Cubs managers losing heart after becoming frustrated with managing the Cubs in their old age. Look at it this way, the Cubs have not won a World Series in almost 102 years. This has got to be the most daunting and pressured task in professional sports. Now there is no excuse for Dusty sitting on his ass after the Bartman ball and the subsequent Alex Gonzalez error. He should have come out and talked to Prior. With that aside, the Cubs performed decent until September of 2004 until several losses in close games dashed their playoff hopes. We all remember Dusty’s heated debates with Steve Stone, and it is believed that Dusty’s excuses and comments led him to quit the Cubs. Dusty continues to manage the Cubs into two more disappointing seasons until his contract is finally allowed to expire in 2006. By the end, Dusty’s motivation, effort, and ability to give a damn, what little they were to begin with, were essentially zero in the end.

    Now we come to Lou Piniella, a manager who is responsible for back to back division championships and first-round playoff debacles. One was a rebuilding year after Dusty, the next was a stellar year in which the Cubs offense was unstoppable for the most part until the playoffs. Now this season, about 2 weeks before the All-Star break, Lou has been known to show his frustration in press conferences with lines like “What can I do? They just aren’t hitting.” and similar questions. I did like what he did with Bradley today with the exception of allowing him in the lineup tomorrow. But lately he has been acting as frustrated as Dusty did. All of a sudden, this team has turned Lou into the new Dusty.

    We all like to blame the manager, but managing the Cubs is a daunting task to begin with. I do think we will need a new manager, one with stronger will and younger age, who focuses on the fundamentals. Someone who won’t be eventually frustrated and broken by this seemingly unmanageable team.

    Anyway, just thought I would add a little sanity to this curse-word trash-talk laden thread. You may now resume your mutual aggression…carry on.

  69. Dave Says:

    Oh, and Chucky? CUBS WIN! Irish Yeti doesn’t seem to be around to tell you.

    Marmol appears to be the new Kingsford, damn he makes me nervous.

  70. chucky Says:

    Does he make any more nervous than that shitstain Kevin Gregg, Dave?

  71. Irish Yeti Says:

    “Yeti: you’re just another rude juvenile troll. Apologize for your “fuck you FDB posters” lob…or even better don’t and rest easy knowing that you are just another PATHETIC stinking bum.

    All the best to you and “your girl”, see ya bye.”

    Sorry, I won’t apologize.. Why? Well I am an ass… That’s one reason.

    Also, I really think it is actually a waste of time to convince you guys that this team isn’t DOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEEDDDDDDDD for 2 reasons. One, most of you are retarded. Two, you like these posts from Ghost of Leo.. That guy has a brain aneurysm all over these threads when he posts, and you guys like it. Wow. Continue being retarded Cub fans. I’m sure it won’t be an issue.

  72. chucky Says:

    I agree with you Yeti… You are an ass.

    That’s about the only thing I agree with on though.

    And explain one thing for me: How does all of us being retarded stop the Cubs from being doomed?

    I’ll say this for you: You’re not only an ass, but you’re a goddamned moron too.

    Go the fuck away and don’t fucking come back, asshole.

  73. JemilianE Says:

    Нет того хуже, как пить из поганой лужи.

SHOW DA FIRE AND PASSION, MY FRENDT!

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