Actually, you are including appearances (not just championships) for St. Louis and Boston, so the 0 for the Cubs should be a 7-with zero championships in those seven. But, obviously the point is well-taken.
Boston was almost as bad as the Cubs last year, and now they are in the World Series-meanwhile the Cubs won only about 6 more games and their competitiveness date has been pushed back to 2015. Why? Hendry had us in the playoffs in 2003, 2007, 2008 (and should have been in 2004). The Cubs were good in 2005 until Derek Lee got hurt and they tanked-and we were all happy to see Hendry go. I am losing patience with the 5 year plan. The bad contracts are gone (except for Edwin Jackson), let’s fucking get going!!!
Oh, and Boston, please beat the Cardinals again!!! I can’t deal with these self-congratulatory jagbags winning twice in three years.
Appearances have been noted. Can you believe it though, that whoever wins this, will have their THIRD championship in nine years? Meanwhile, the idiots at Clark and Addison in the World’s Largest Urinal are discussing adding more seats and jumbo screens. That’s how you bring in a contending team! Don’t draft anybody though and don’t bring in the RIGHT free agents and not necessarily the ones who are going to cost a lot. Spend wisely folks! Oh, wait…
These stats are scaring Yeti away…by the way, I’ve called out Yeti at least twice to fess up in the past few debates…where is he? I think we all know he is reading these, he’s just a little twit to show up.
I haven’t said this in a long time, but my philosophy has always been “When you haven’t won in 100+ years you spend as much as it takes, for as long as it takes, to rectify the situation”. I don’t believe in winning a World Series the “right way”. Spend, spend, spend and fucking WIN!!!! Obviously, not to throw money recklessly, but overpaying for a proven commodity still in his prime and healthy is not a concern-just do it!!!
So fucking what if we dismantle it afterwards? The Hawks had to do it and won again. The Fucklins dismantled much more than the Hawks and won again only 6 years later. There is no fucking reason you can’t build a farm system AND bring in top-flight free agents. Fuck the luxury taxes!!! How about hiring every single manager, coach, instruction and front office person away from the Cardinals? Every last one of them!! Double their salaries. TRIPLE their salaries. Blow them, swallow, and say thank you sir may I have another!
I AM FUCKING SICK OF LOSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“So fucking what if we dismantle it afterwards? The Hawks had to do it and won again. The Fucklins dismantled much more than the Hawks and won again only 6 years later. There is no fucking reason you can’t build a farm system AND bring in top-flight free agents. Fuck the luxury taxes!!! How about hiring every single manager, coach, instruction and front office person away from the Cardinals? Every last one of them!! Double their salaries. TRIPLE their salaries. Blow them, swallow, and say thank you sir may I have another!”
So, you want the Cubs to build a farm system, like the “Fucklins” and the Cardinals? Or just sign a bunch of free agents? You know that the Marlins, er “Fucklins”, got where they were by developing young players, right? Same with the Cardinals. Yes, they have a top 10 payroll, but they’re pretty much built off of the success of their farm system. They’ve added pieces here and there, but they’ve had the money to do that because they get strong production from cheaper, younger players.
Hey, I want the Cubs to win, too, but your “SPEND TONS OF MONEY AND BUILD A FARM SYSTEM” idea is short-sighted, and rivals Chucky in terms of pure stupidity.
Maybe I’m mistaken, but aren’t all four LCS teams in the top 10 in payroll? DET BOS LAD STL?
Cardinals have a solid farm but let’s be real: their two best bats are pricey FAs (Beltran, Holliday). Take them away and they’re 3rd in NL Central.
Two of the Red Sox’s three biggest LCS contributions came from Napoli and Victorino… two FA additions.
Dodgers spend like crazy. It definitely made a difference in 2012. With a healthy Matt Kemp, maybe they beat St. Louis?
Tigers built their team through trades and FA.
Of course, if you overpay for the wrong talent (e.g. Alfonso Soriano), then you’re screwed. It’s a high risk, high reward game.
Eventually, Cubs will have to spend on some GOOD veteran talent, not Edwin Jackson. Even when these prospects get called up, it’ll take some time to adjust to MLB pitchers/hitters. A lot of them probably won’t even make it (e.g. Josh Vitters, Brett Jackson).
FA and Draft are both important. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Free agency is what scares me the most with Epstein. Because even when his teams were winning, he had a looooooooong list of bad FA signings. His teams were good with scouting…not so good with FA. Epstein won’t have that huge Red Sox payroll so he’ll have to make more of his FA picks count.
So, how is what I want short-sighted, Yeti?! I believe I said to build an excellent farm system like the Cardinals AND sign good free agents with money being no object. It’s right in my comment that you quoted. Did you even read it?! The Rays have a better farm system than the Cubs and they started from scratch about 15 years ago; You didn’t object to spending a ton of money, agreed with a good farm system, and acknowledged that the Cardinals also spend money. So, what’s your point of contention?!
You could argue that spending the way I want is not realistic from a business’ point of view, but you seem to have no real disagreement with anything I said. So, I guess you just felt like calling me stupid for no particular reason. You take a lot of abuse from others on here, but I haven’t said anything to you for probably more than a year. So, starting up with me for the hell of it, makes you an instigating little asshole. Fuck off you stupid dickwipe.!!
I think Pie and Nemo both have made good points…now I know the whole spend thing is a bit too much but I said in my last post if they spend wisely and not on mediocre players, then it’s money well spent. But…I think everyone else knew that…except Yeti.
Yes, Beltran and Holliday are from the outside. Molina, Wacha, Wainwright, Craig, Adams, Shelby Miller, John Jay, Jaime Garcia, Rosenthal, Freese, Kozma, Matt Carpenter (and Pujols in their success before he left). There’s a shitton more people contributing that are from their farm system than not. Yes, you need to sign free agents, but you’re insinuating that they need to break the bank. Want Cano for 10years/$300Million? Ok. Don’t bitch in 3-4 years when that contract is shit. Sign McCann. I’m not sure what he’s demanding, but I’m sure it’s numerous years. That’ll be fun to sign a 30yr old catcher to a multi-year huge contract.
So, basically, you want the Cubs to turn into the 2007-2011 Cubs again? Spend a shitton to win in the short-term and then be saddled with terrible aging contracts after it goes to shit?
Yes, I know you stated that they can just easily have a farm system and spend a shitton of money on free agents. You realize the farm system shit takes a decent amount of money, too, right? I mean, they have to pay the scouts, their travel, plus their international presence is a lot larger than I think you know. They spent pretty much their entire international signing cap this year. They’re spending money, but it’s in places you can’t see yet. In the next year to 2 years, you’ll be seeing a lot of that spending come up through the team. Kris Bryant, Jorge Soler, Javier Baez, Albert Almora, Kyle Hendricks, CJ Edwards are all prospects the Cubs are working up to the majors.
“Kris Bryant, Jorge Soler, Javier Baez, Albert Almora, Kyle Hendricks, CJ Edwards are all prospects the Cubs are working up to the majors.”
Not to defend Nemo since I actually agree with you Yeti…but…we heard the same shit about “Corey Patterson, Kevin Orie, Felix Pie, Josh Vitters, Bobby Brownlie (!)” and whoever else they shoved down our throats.
Well, they didn’t exactly inspire any confidence with me when they brought back that shitbag Gregg. At least they figured out that Sveum wasn’t the answer. I just hope to hell the next guy can work with the younger guys and help them along. And hopefully unload that useless sack of shit Edwin Jackoff. Another big ass mistake.
Kevin Gregg didn’t hurt the team this year. It didn’t hold players back from pitching. They used a total of 31 different pitchers this year. Only Pedro Strop was someone that showed that they could pitch better than Gregg as a reliever. And they made that switch after Gregg was trailing off as the season went on. I understand you hate him, and whatever, but make no mistake about it, with the way Kevin pitched for most of the season, they would have lost more games without him than with him.
Actually, yes he did. Strop should have been given the chance at the closers job much sooner than game 154. I understand that for the time being they have to field some bad players. But there is a big difference between using a bad young player who is at least trying to improve and a 35 year old hack who was picked up off the scrap pile in the middle of April who did have a job. They didn’t make that switch after Gregg started trailing off! What were you watching? He had maybe a good two months, then the wheels came off. When you are going to be bad, and you know you are going to be bad, and even advertise it to your fans, you don’t bring in a guy who would be heading into the final stages of his career because of his age like Kevin Gregg to take up a roster spot. Period. Then he cries like a little bitch when he’s told they want to go in another direction. Man, fuck this guy! He sucks, and he’s an idiot on top of it. It isn’t a question of how much I hate the guy. I admit it. I do. Intensely. This was just a bad decision. Edwin Jackoff was also a stupid mistake. 50+ million for 4 years (I think, not 100% sure. Doesn’t matter). What a fucking waste. And now who would want him? They might trade him, but how much of that contract will they have to eat? That was my entire point in my saying that Epstein and Hoyer have not been real inspiring to me. They had better start making better decisions than bringing in a couple of assclowns like those two.
You know what Yeti. You’re tight. We have nothing to talk about, considering your bullshit cherry picked stats. Here are MY stats, which are also. for the sake of argument, cherry picked too.
July 13th, ERA is 1.95
July 14th, ERA shoots up to 2.97
From then to the end of the season, ERA lands at 3.48
Which means that in that two and a half month span, Greggs ERA shot up over 1.5. but, as you have said, that’s “serviceable” right?
Oh and by the way, his career stats are:
Save opportunities 217
SV percentage .815
Years of service 13
Compare that to a REAL closer like Mariano Rivera. I know even you have said Gregg isn’t as good as Rivera, but let’s do this anyway.
Save opportunities 732
SV percentage .890
Years of service 19
Don’t bother trying to convince anybody here on the virtues of Kevin Gregg as a Major League closer Yeti. Nobody here is that goddamned stupid. Except you. Now crawl back under your rock where you belong dipshit.