Finally turned in just before the last Cubs homer. Arrieta was WICKED. I read an article where Nolan Ryan said that too many pitchers try to throw so much heat all the time. Jake threw some nasty stuff that had the Pirates swinging all night. Good on the Cubs D turning back-breaking double plays in the 6th and 7th. Between that and the Pirates shitting their pants after hitting Arrieta, they were a broken team.
I’m not singing that stupid ass song, but hell, let’s fly the W…for as long as we can.
Jesus Fucking Christ!! We better beat the Cardinals!! Those fans are arrogant enough pricks as it is-I can’t deal with losing to them head to head. To beat them in the only playoff series ever between the two would shut them a little bit. Ideally, a sweep, so I can just yell “sweep” at all the random Cardinal fans all winter.
Really concerned Jake’s arm is going to fall off to end the season.
“Win tomorrow or this series is effectively over.” That is true. They either win tomorrow, or start packing their bags for a three game sweep. This is potentially a different Cub team though. Next year should be interesting. Still need those young guys to learn to adjust, and still need a closer. They also need another starter. Jon Lester was a waste of money.
Yeah, we’ve been saying good season, next year will be better-but will it? Are they going to win 105 games with a better bullpen, David Price and another year of experience for the kids? This year’s team is the second best record of any Cubs team in my life (becoming a fan in mid 70’s) and it’s only a half game worse than veteran-laden 2008 Cubs. Cubs have never been consistent like the Cardinals. How will they deal with sky-high expectations? They were largely injury-free this year-that rarely happens two years in a row.
I’d rather win now and avoid the uncertainty-but winning 3/4 against the Cardinals is going to be very tough-and that’s just to get to the NLCS (and we know how those have gone)
In terms of tonight’s game If Maddon trusted anyone in the bullpen, Lester would have been done after 7 down just 1-0. This goes on the hitters and Strop for letting it get out of hand-but yeah, same problem all year with Lester, trouble early and can’t keep his pitch count down.
Nemo – you make excellent points. I have been a Cubs fan since 1964, and this has been the best young Cubs team since I have been following them. Also, I have never seen a Cubs pitcher as lights-out as Arrieta; not Prior, not Wood, not Maddux, not Sutcliffe, not Holtzman, and not Jenkins. They also have the best manager since the Durocher days.
But, as you put it, can they do it again next year with more experience and a lot more expectations? I thought the 1970 team and the 1985 teams were ready to break through too, but we know how that turned out.
You are right on point: the bullpen is untrustworthy, the starting pitching, after Arrieta, is mediocre at best, and the offense goes to sleep at the most inopportune times. Can they stay relatively injury free is another excellent point you made. So, all and all, I’m with you, no more talk of “potential.” Either they go all the way this year, or next, or it’s just more of the same bull we’ve had to deal with for over a century now!
“Patrick Mooney talked to Pedro Strop following Game 1. Strop said the Cardinals “aren’t in his head.” Joe Maddon addressed Strop’s problems with the Cardinals before the game and said he would not “run away from him” during the series.”
If Maddon is serious, and not just protecting Strop’s “confidence,” then I take back what I said about him being the best manager of the Cubs since Durocher. He’s just as stupid as Dusty if he keeps putting Stop in there! Pedro Strop is Kevin Gregg, Calvin Schiraldi, and Carlos Marmol all rolled into one!
Welp, I’ll give them some credit. They didn’t quit. 2007 Cubs and 2008 Cubs would’ve already booked their flights out of country after that Game 1 loss. Still need to get Kris Bryant’s bat going, though.
Ernie, well Maddon didn’t put Strop out there tonight, so that’s encouraging. Bullpen was great today. Great moves by Maddon today. I can’t help thinking we would have won the WS in ’03 if he was our manager.
I think the confidence is back and this is anyone’s series. I was so depressed last night and all day today, but this team has more mental fortitude than the Piniella teams.
We do have an incredible amount of young talent on our bench, probably need to trade at least one of them for some pitching.
Sutcliffe was great in ’84 but his ERA was almost a point higher than Arrieta. Never felt he was invincible. Always waited for Steve Stone to pronounce that Sut “had his stuff” that day. He did pitch with a lot of run support and he was skilled enough to win when he didn’t have “his stuff”
I always felt superconfident with Prior out there. Remember ’03? NO WAY could Prior and Wood lose back-to-back at home!! That said, Arrieta has been even better, and I THINK he won’t let shit get into his head. However, I can’t pencil him in as automatic as much as I want to because yeah-things have happened with the Cubs
Don’t get me started on those 85 Cubs! They had a great first third of the season (35-19) until the injuries came. I believe all 5 starters were on the DL at one point. They were signing scrap heap guys like Larry Gura just to have bodies to throw out there. Only Dennis Eckersley made 25 starts. Contrasting to this year’s team where 4 pitchers had at least 31 starts.
I’m happy and hopeful tonight, but will be back to forlorn if Arrieta doesn’t win.
Seems more Cub fans made it to STL today than yesterday. If there’s a Game 5, there will be even more. I know most of you guys hate the Go, Cubs, Go song, but it was sweet seeing our fans singing it in their ballpark after the game today.
Glad to have a day off after the win, this shit is stressful!!!
JESUS CHRIST ON A POGO STICK!!! I seriously can’t take this guys!! I need a lithium drip or something!
You’re right, Genre-the Cubs have a lot of character and I am proud of what they have done so far (but not satisfied). I hope we can finish these bastards off!! Two home teams lost Game 4’s today and will now face Game 5 on the road. This will not be easy.
So, it appears nerves got to Arrieta a bit-was hoping it wouldn’t happen.
Anyone think we should bring Lester in relief tomorrow if we’re protecting a lead in the middle innings? If we did and it backfired, don’t know who the hell would pitch game 5.
Nemo and Genre: I feel confident about this series. No reason, just a feeling. Cardinals look worn out to me.
That home run Rondon gave up in the ninth was not good. It was a bad omen for the future. It didn’t hurt the team now, but later …
Lackey is beatable And on only three days rest, I think they can get to him. The problem is Hammel. I’ll be honest, I’d rather have Haren in there than him. Lester for game five? No confidence. But, that’s the problem with this team. Outside of Arrieta they are a wing-and-a-prayer. Cubs are going to have to outscore teams. Outside of Arrieta, I don’t see any of them winning 1-0, or 2-1 games. And don’t get me started on that bullpen. They’ve been ok so far, but they are far from inducing confidence in their ability to come in and hold a one run lead with five outs to go (remember 2003?).
I felt pretty confident coming in, Ernie, but vacillating from inning to inning if not batter to batter. Not sure Rondon throws that pitch in a closer game, but yeah, I don’t trust him. Baez got away with 2 errors tonight. Not likely to be able to get away with that again.
Hammel does scare me. What about 3 innings Hammel/Haren, 3 Hammel/Haren and 3 Lester? Wood only threw 1 pitch tonight, I suppose he’d be good for 2-3 innings. Whatever it takes. Lester’s opponent in a game 5 couldn’t be that good, could he? Think they might toss Wainwright out there?
I still don’t know what to say. So sweet to end those arrogant bastards season!! I won’t be satisfied until we win it all, but today has assured me of a much more pleasant offseason. Only ONE post season series between Cubs and Cardinals ever-and the Cubs won!!
Will be nice to see stores pulling the Cards “Division Champions” merchandise and having to replace it with Cubs stuff. Wondering how many soft Cards fans will be rooting for us.